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Phoenix Ex · Oct 06, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Because, as per my post, I'm enjoying playing Guild Wars. I thought that would have been evident.

Oh, and from what I understand, in Warcraft, your items ARE your character, and you can't be competitive unless you grind for uber gear. And the uber gear is very, very expensive. Obviously, that's not what Guild Wars is about, and that's why I like it.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm seeing here. People around here are upset about inscriptions and selectable salvage because they want weapons with popular skins and good mods to cost outrageous prices. ANet will soon eliminate that from the game, I hope.

Not World of Warcraft, Warcraft, as in the RTS warcraft, absolutely no expensive items to worry about.

Where did anyone say the good mods and skins should cost outrageous price? I for one have said several times in the post that I DO BELIEVE the current pricing is ridiculous. All I am doing in the last few posts is pointing out Guild Wars' lack of vanity options.

I don't know why you oppose anything for the people that likes to work for something, comeon, not all rich people sell stuff for 100k+ecto, not all rich people go and brag in front of people, and not all rich people want to control the economy. So why not give them some other goals other than the player controlled rare weapon economy? They added stuff like Guild Hall Npcs and Fow Armor, why can't they add more high end merchant stuff?

To Gli, I never said anything about all non-casual players obsess over loot, all I am saying is for those that DO want vanity, give them vanity, merchant controlled, no inflation, no deflation.

Avarre · Oct 06, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by Gli

Farming and merchanting? Why would anyone just starting to play want to do that? That's the realm of the jaded veteran. How about just playing, grabbing an easy few platinum every outing just by selling to merchants and traders, making enough money to afford competitive gear.

Is there a point in this statement? You've restated what I said, that you don't need much money to buy things. I'm talking, of course, about people already at level 20 and such, those that are completely new to the game shouldn't consider participating in the economy as they don't fully understand the game or prices yet anyway.

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I haven't found any collector weapons with +30 health mods yet. Worse, if you were to put one onto a collector weapon, it's gone forever because you can't even try to salvage it later.

How many people care about salvaging their USED equipment. Furthermore, how many casual players need +30 hp? As far as PvE is concerned (because anyone with the time to develop capability to play in higher PvP can get a mod easily), +5 armor (available on purples) is good if not better.

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PvP items have nothing to do with this at all.

The only non e-peen reason to have max golds is so you can get specific mods and stats for PvP, the casual players have PvP weaponry which fulfills that need.

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Sane because participation is optional? That makes no sense at all, that's like saying suicide cults are sane because participation is optional.

Not only is the analogy police going to smack you for that, you misread the gist of my post. We're talking about a relative sanity in a comparison of economical game systems. There's no comparison between using game currency and having easily available items, where you can be maxed out simply, and having (for example) to trade rare drops to purchase rarer ones just to be competitive. Try again.

Oh, and go read Capitalist's thread.

neuro_999 · Oct 06, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

Why someone dont start a vote pool.
I was in GW from the begin, i have fow armor, some rare items (mussat bow 15^50 req 8, mussat hammer same... zodiac hammer same).. but i wanna see the options added, i wanna make the weapons like i wanna, i dont care if my weapons go down in price, i use them to play dont to speculate, i dont wanna waste my time buying & Selling.

Just my 2 cents.

Ghull Ka · Oct 06, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Oh, and go read Capitalist's thread.

I love it when people reference Capitalist's thread like it's gospel. Like it's the guide that ANet uses when designing their game. Heh.

Capitalist's thread is an accurate digest of the game as it existed when Capitalist wrote the thread. If you were to assume that it will be accurate throughout the game's lifetime, then you must also assume that ANet will not introduce anything that will digress from it's vision of "normal guys get collector's items or greens, some can afford maybe one pretty weapon with perfect mods, but most can't, and that's OK."

Well, what if ANet introduces a mechanism that makes it possible for everyone in the entire game to easily and cheaply acquire any combination of mods on any skin of weapon with any req that they may fancy?

Let's all read Capitalist's thread twenty days from now and see if it still applies, eh?

Gli · Oct 06, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Is there a point in this statement? You've restated what I said, that you don't need much money to buy things. I'm talking, of course, about people already at level 20 and such, those that are completely new to the game shouldn't consider participating in the economy as they don't fully understand the game or prices yet anyway.

No, what I stated is how I would like things to be. It's not how it is right now.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

How many people care about salvaging their USED equipment. Furthermore, how many casual players need +30 hp? As far as PvE is concerned (because anyone with the time to develop capability to play in higher PvP can get a mod easily), +5 armor (available on purples) is good if not better.

I salvage my used equipment. And again, this isn't about casual players, this is about adding options to the game for everyone who isn't hung up over his stash of rare weapons. And who needs +30 hp? Are you for real? Everyone needs it, because it keeps you alive. +5 armor is good as well, but it's different. Don't you use weapon switching? My warrior owns more than a dozen weapons and uses them all. Some have +30 life, some +5 armor, some +7 vs. elemental, etc. etc. I wouldn't dream of rushing into battle against mesmers or necros using +5 armor on my weapon. To be really competitive, one needs TONS of equipment. Greens don't cut it, because not all inherent modifiers/prefix/postfix combos exist.

Again, this isn't about casual players. This is about playing the game with more options.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The only non e-peen reason to have max golds is so you can get specific mods and stats for PvP, the casual players have PvP weaponry which fulfills that need.

See my previous comments. It's not just about casual players. It's about having options more readily available without grinding for them.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Not only is the analogy police going to smack you for that, you misread the gist of my post. We're talking about a relative sanity in a comparison of economical game systems.

And you claim there is 'relative sanity' when there are items costing more than a single account can hold in gold? Dream on. Seriously, that's as insane as insanity comes in game economies. And where did we start comparing game economies? We didn't. We're talking about the absolute merits of this game's economy.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

There's no comparison between using game currency and having easily available items, where you can be maxed out simply, and having (for example) to trade rare drops to purchase rarer ones just to be competitive. Try again.

I really don't get what you're trying to say here. I really don't, I can't make heads or tails of it. You try again.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Oh, and go read Capitalist's thread.

Read it, didn't care to participate. That thread was about a status quo I couldn't care less about. I don't trade much, I don't farm much, I don't care about the value of items; mine or anyone else's. I don't whine about equipment being hard to get because I just go out and get what I need.

This thread is about a possible change to that status quo and is therefore infinitely more interesting.

BoredJoe · Oct 06, 2006, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Three words: Shing Jea Chests.

Cheap keys, easy to get to, no danger, and gold drops will still have 15^50's on them quite often. Inscriptions will not be expensive at all. Enjoy.

Good point. I wonder if the mix of gold drops from low end chests will change to stop a flood of cheap 15^50 inscriptions occurring. Not sure about Shing Jea chests but the gold drop rate for Ascalon and Steel chests was pretty low.

I'd be curious to see if it would be worthwhile for people spend hours chest running low end chests for inscriptions and what value they would put on their time if it takes a while.

It'll be interesting to see what price 15^50 inscriptions settle at.

manitoba1073 · Oct 06, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Gli

This thread is about a possible change to that status quo and is therefore infinitely more interesting.

actually its not about the status quo at all. go back and read the first post if u dont believe me. its actually how bad prices will be when inscriptions are implemented if they are implemented wrong. as as some say it may take months to get prices settled. but what do u expect them to start out as. im guessing low end 50k to start. some say 100k. yeah i call that a serious problem. for the CAUSUAL player which i started this thread. so u think GW will survive if the prices for those inscriptions are like that. which this is supposed to be for. not for long. ITS a major problem waiting to happen.
ive said before the inscriptions are a great idea, just ANET is going about it all wrong. NO there will be no real increase in golds. agrue all u want about that. itll stilll be what ever percent they drop now. lets talk about bots not only will we see them in there usual places but the WILL go any where golds are easy to get. u think they are just gonna stop one place nope they will just add more. again its a BAD implementation if the inscriptions go the way the PC gamer magazine hinted at.

and if u guys must know yeah i farm, i play the game, i have lots of fun doing both. i have 3500+ hours in and i will still be playing till the end. am i an elitist, depends on who u ask. im sure the 15+ guilds i finaced when sigils were 100k would say no, or the countless players i give stuff to or help get there builds right would also say no. now it has nothing to do with skins or mods themselves but what there price will be when this happens, and dont even think they will go down over night, or anet to fix it overnight. it just wont happen. i have invested alot in this game, its a great game. as far as though saying if ur bored then quit, BLOW IT OUT YOUR KINK IN YOUR ARMOR
everyone has a different way of having fun in the game. only ppl who is having the probs are the losers and yes i mean losers that say stuff like get a life and that.

scamPOR · Oct 06, 2006, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I heard its for ch3 weapons ONLY... not sure why you are all going ape shit.

Gli · Oct 06, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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